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Well I was looking forward to changing the standard bulbs to LED's but it would seem most of the lights are already LED's.<div style="font-size: 12.222222328186035px; line-height: 17.77777862548828px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">

<div style="font-size: 12.222222328186035px; line-height: 17.77777862548828px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">The brake light is a clear bulb that is almost invisible, if I was to change to LED's they would show more.
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<div style="font-size: 12.222222328186035px; line-height: 17.77777862548828px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">All of the other lights appear to be LED's. All the interior and number plate etc look like LED's. The front DRL's dim and become parking/sidelights so not much to change at all.
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<div style="font-size: 12.222222328186035px; line-height: 17.77777862548828px; : rgb251, 251, 253;">Maybe change the dipped and main beam if I find them a bit 'yellowy' with these:
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<div style="font-size: 12.222222328186035px; line-height: 17.77777862548828px; : rgb251, 251, 253;"><strike>http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/H7-Philips-Diamond-Vision-Headlight-Bulbs.html?bulb_search=car</strike>

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I had hoped to change the front indicators to Silver coated amber bulbs but they are shown as being PWY-24W which is not such a common bulb.

It's fairly new and also known as a 3157 or Philips 12181NA.

One guy in America found a supplier and the price was $52:80 per bulb!!!

So, it looks like none of the bulbs can be swapped with the exception of the Dipped and Main Beam H7-55W which I had thought to upgrade and swap for the Philips Diamond Vision depending how the standard supplied bulbs look.

Unfortunately these Philips Diamond Vision are not 'E' marked and are not strictly road legal which means I might be going for these instead:

http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/H7-Ring-XENON-Ultima-120-Headlamp-Bulb-55W-pair.html



Video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKJ3ejEJyg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=uLCggPsA2gM






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Yeah, LEDs lighter, draw less current so use fractionally less fuel and a smaller alternator. Led brake lights activate 2M quicker at 30MPH.

I've not looked at bulbs at any great depth on these, but would consider changing the fronts for Silvatecs or LEDs perhaps. I think rubber mats and the Style Mudflaps (when they're on sale) will be the only things I buy, through that may change when the SP accessory range for this car is launched.
 

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These should be ok for the brake lights as they have a (claimed) 50% faster reaction time:

http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/382-Philips-Vision-Plus-P21W-Brake-Light-Bulbs.html



.....although I fitted them to my wife's 206 and tested the left after fitting against the right original and couldn't see any difference. Never-the-less I finished fitting the other one and they're still working fine.







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I've e-mailed Peugeot to enquire whether it's possible to change the Brake Light bulbs to LED's or whether it will show a 'bulb failure' warning.

I also enquired whether the 2008 has the CanBus system (my dealer wasn't sure).

I also enquired whether White or Red LED's would be required.

I have a feeling they won't recommend changing to LED's as I reckon they would have installed them from new what with all the other LED's the car has.
 

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Well they answered quickly:

Thank you for your recent enquiry made via the Peugeot website.

We would
recommend that you contact your local Peugeot dealership who will be able to
help you with your enquiry. They are the only ones that are able to advise
especially at this point in time. If needs be they are best placed to contact
the relations department directly via the dealer line to seek further
assistance.

Kind Regards

D Divya

______________________________________________
Peugeot Customer Advisor

_______________________________________________
The Peugeot Customer
Contact Centre



So I've now asked the dealer to help.
 

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The tail lamps are LED but the brake lights are P21W.

Looking at the Dipped/Main Beam it would appear to be a choice between extra power/range vs longevity.

The brighter they burn, the less they last.

It also seems cost prohibitive to change all 4 unless the choice is, say, a whiter light with a 50% increase. That will give a better light to match the DRL/Sidelights and would improve the vision a bit without compromising the longevity of the bulbs too much.

It would be far cheaper also.

But I guess we'll have to wait and see how good the supplied bulbs are as no change may be necessary.

Fingers crossed.




Rear lamps


1. Brake lamps (P21W).
2. Sidelamps (light emitting diodes - LEDs).
3. Direction indicators (PY21W amber).
4. Foglamp (P21W).
5. Reversing lamp (P21W).






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Tech spec in my hand rates them as LED...

In any case, it's a CANBUS car so to change any incandescent bulbs for LESs would require CANBUS safe LESs, of a 30 Ohm resistor.
 

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Hi bern, that list I copied from the handbook and I checked them at the dealers.

That will be good to get CanBus LED's as they should work with no problem but I'll wait for the dealer to get back as there may be another reason why they shouldn't be swapped.

 

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Well I've done a lot of searching today and all the views I've found of the 2008 with headlights on show them to be extremely good.

Although they were video and still photos they showed that the dipped and the main beam were an incredibly good match to the white LED sidelights.

I very much doubt that any change will be necessary.

I may just pop down to my dealer tomorrow and ask him if we can check them out.

I've got to fill in this waiting time somehow!!









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Well I've just got back from seeing the techie guy at the dealers and he says the CanBus system in the 2008 is balanced with the bulbs and LED's that are fitted and we should not attempt to make any changes or even try LED CanBus replacements anywhere.

I've seen the dipped and main beams on and they are very white and a good match with the sidelights so a swap to another type of H7-55W lamp is totally unnecessary.

If any bulbs do fail then they should be replaced with the same type of bulb.

In other words...LEAVE WELL ALONE!!

Looks like this thread has therefore reached the end of the road!


Al.



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Yes, its balanced, so as long as you replace bulbs in pairs, and use decent quality CANBUS compatible bulbs it won't throw up an error. A dealer will never recommend or advise on an unauthorised modification for liability reasons.
 

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They told me of a chap who had recently taken delivery of a new 208 and used a HID conversion kit to change the dipped beam to HID.

Evidently it blew the system and is currently being repaired at a cost of £2000.

At least we've avoided anything like that happening by asking questions in the first place.

 

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That's slightly different, as HID kits draw current at different levels, often with quite sharp spikes. Most idiots plug the kits straight into the headlamp connectors, when to do it safely it needs isolating from the rest of the cars electrics by powering them
Directly from the battery an using the signal from the headlamp loom to energise a relay to switch them in and out.

The problem with LESs is the opposite, inasmuch as they don't draw enough current or present enough resistance. Get it wrong and you won't damage the car but may confuse the hell out of the BSI which governed the non engine electrics.

Very clever of Peugeot to protect themselves from liability by directing you to the dealer, but the dealer is clearly wise to litigation as well.To say don't change to corrected LED s because CANBUS is balanced is lime saying don't change to another brand of tyre because they're round. Personally it wouldn't scare me, but conversely I wouldn't bother either - I'm sure the lighting works just fine and the headlights are already far 'faster' than the car.Edited by: Don Bernard
 

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Yes, I know what you mean.

My Nissan Service Manager told not to install any LED's.

My Qashqai ended up with sidelights, map and courtesy front and rear interior, boot, number plate, glove box, rear brake/tail lights all changed and everything worked perfectly. Some club members even did the turn indicators and installed resistors and changed the reversing lights.

I also installed a Philips DRL kit that worked without any problem plus a folding door mirror kit to work off the door locking.

Luckily the 2008 has almost all of these points covered.


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Since the last post I have taken delivery of my 2008 and safely installed:

Rear number plate LEDs

Footwell LEDs

Boot area LED

Please refer to the 'Main Message Centre' for details.

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Having driven at night a couple of times now the dipped and main headlights are very good.No issue with even having to think about changing the bulbs as far as I could see.

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Mac2008 said:
Having driven at night a couple of times now the dipped and main headlights are very good.No issue with even having to think about changing the bulbs as far as I could see.

Mac.

oh thats good, at least they managed to stick in a couple of good bulbs lol

-Sam
 
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