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The front fog/cornering lights are a PSX24W bulb.

There is one bulb either side and they operate as both fog lights and cornering/turning lights.

Access to these is below the front bumper:






See here for some of the types available:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p4712.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.XPSX24W&_nkw=PSX24W&_sacat=0&_from=R40


I have not checked the LEDs for suitability in our 2008 so please report here if you test them. Also, not sure regarding whether they can be changed for road use as 'fog' lights. See UPDATE below...

UPDATE: I've been doing some searching on the web. Many people say that now cars are supplied with LED
fog
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from new then it's ok to retro fit. Others say that EU regs state you can replace like for like but not change the operation of a fitting. Another report said it's true about the regs but as long as it doesn't dazzle oncoming drivers then it's perfectly OK to change a bulb to LED.

The Highway Code ( http://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/drivi...rview-226.html ) referred me to the RVLRegs http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...lation/25/made and here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1...lation/27/made seems to me you can interpret it to be ok to change, so long as it doesn't dazzle.

Important update:


Fog lights are designed to have a low beam to highlight the kerb and road markings. The fog light reflector and lens are designed to work with halogen bulbs. LEDs have a different beam pattern and will not work so well in fog. LEDs could also cause more refraction than bulbs in fog.

Mirror Reflector LEDs though work by having no projection beam. Instead they reflect back into the fog light reflector and produce a similar beam pattern to a bulb.

UPDATE: I have now fitted these Mirror Reflector LEDs in my 308 and I am very pleased with the result. See further posts regarding these.









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Re: Front Fog Lights.

I've been doing some searching regarding the best type and colour of bulb/LED to fit in the fog lights.

Basically the fog light reflector and lens is designed for a halogen bulb so that it throws a low beam to highlight the kerb and road markings together with the immediate foreground.

LEDs have a different beam pattern and can cause glare and more refraction.

LEDs are not recommended for driving in foggy conditions unless they are in a specific LED housing with a suitable reflector and lens.

I thought a yellow light would be best but this is not so. White erring towards the blue end of the spectrum appears to come out the winner.
It is not recommended to change front fog light bulbs to LEDs for use in fog.

However, Mirror Reflector LEDs work by having no projection beam. Instead they reflect back into the fog light reflector and produce a similar beam pattern to a bulb.

UPDATE: I have now fitted these Mirror Reflector LEDs in my 308 and I am very pleased with the result. See further posts regarding these.






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Nice report Allan,

B
ut it all depends if you use them as fog lights.
As fog lights only, the halogen bulbs on the 2008 are totally useless, on the JAG, completely different and I couldn't agree with you more. Even on the MGF the Fog Lights are better and in both cases they are the correct Halogen Type Bulbs. And I have no qualms in using them when the conditions require them.

We don't have pea soupers anymore thankfully because on the 2008 they are useless. So we never use them you see a lot better with dipped beam.

Fog lights in the main are used by those who put them on with their dipped/maim beam or drive with them on with side lights only.

But madam uses them as cornering lights and they are a lot better for that purpose, which the Halogens are NOT.



Again I think we'll be sticking with the LED's and using them for their cornering light function.



But thank you for pointing that out.


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Hi Tone, I'd forgotten about the 'cornering light' function on the 2008.
Good idea to have them as cornering lights only.

I'dalso change to LED in that case and just never use themas fog lightsas you say.


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There is a small problem with using the front fog/cornering lights as purely cornering lights.
If you don't switch them on as fog lights in foggy conditions then you also won't be able to switch on your rear fog lights.

The first twist forward switches on the front fog lights, a second twist forwards switches on the rear fog lights.

The first twist back switches off the rear fog lights, a second twist back switches off the front fog lights.

Unfortunately you will lose this safety factorby not being able to use your rear fog lights as the operation of the rear is dependant upon the front.

A suggestion may be to have a lower wattage LED in the front (say 25W) which will reduce the amount of glare and refraction when you are in conditions of reduced visibility, and that may still give adequate illumination as a cornering light.

Just a thought.

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Hi Al,

Thanks for that, see reply in Dipped Beam thread
 

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This style may be better (with your cap)for the front fog lights as they have no tip lens.Thatmeans theactual housing reflector willdirect the beam.
They are much lowerlumens (around 450Lm as opposed to a standard OEM 55W bulb of approx 1250Lm)so the glare/refraction will also be reduced. Theymay still be bright enough as a cornering light.





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Look good Al,

Where did one find them give us a clue, and did you notice if they manufactured them in PSX 24W bulbs
 

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Now I see where you do your shopping,

I thought it was a specialist site.

Thanks for that, fingers are doing the typing as we speak.
 

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I've used other places like Horizon LEDs, Hids4Uand Autobulbs Direct etc.
I'll have another look now I'm back home.

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This the link for my 308H11 type fitting:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/H11-PGJ19-Xenon-48SMD-TURBO-LED-CANBUS-ERROR-FREE-Car-Fog-Bulbs-E-/141363598597?hash=item20e9ed5505:g:g-sAAOSwGvhT2jgu

The supplier contact email is here:

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Thanks Al,

I'll look into that
 

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Hi Tone, I've just found this diagram showing how the reflector idea works:

Hopefully that should stop the glare and refraction.

Much lower Lumens though, around 450Lm as opposed to 1250Lm for the OEM bulb, but they are only useful as cornering lights with your new headlights; as fog lights they don't stand a chance....

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I tested my fog lights on the way back from Peterborough the other night and like you found, theyare pretty poor, especiallyagainst my LED dipped beam headlights.
I decided nothing is going to compete with them so I've ordered a pair of these 'mirror reflector' LEDs.

It enables me to use the rear fog lights and they can act as emergency lights should I get a headlight failure at any time.

I found a really cheap supplier on ebay but delivery is a bit slow as they're on a slow boat from Hong Kong!
 

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Hi Al,

Great spot, I've ordered a pair for madams car just to see what the difference is.

I'll let you know when they get here at Easter
 

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Hi Al,

Great spot, I've ordered a pair for madams car just to see what the difference is.

I'll let you know when they get here at Easter

...did you check if they are CanBus compatible as you may need load resistors if they are not.
 

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I've just found this little video that demonstrates how a mirror reflector LED works.
This is just a 20W and has a colour changing facility.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTMn5IKhQSQ

You can see how the beam flattens once it's fitted in a fog light.
 

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Allan having a chat about new cars the other night, the main topic was full led lights, the main questions were, 1, are the lights covered by warranty? 2, if so how long?, because if they fail for whatever reason they bound to be major££££££££.
 

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Evidently the LED headlightsare covered under the car warranty.
Normally you shouldn't get them failing like a bulb.

Take some of the bulb to LED changes I've made. LEDs vastly outlive bulbs.

You can expect up to around 50000 hours out of my small upgraded LEDs;but I suspect the Peugeotheadlight LEDs are far better quality and may beexpected to last the life of the car.

Stone hits of course won't be covered and you can probably expect a bill for a full headlight unit replacement,however, that may well be covered by your comprehensiveinsurance.

I had a DRL strip fail on my 2008 and they had to replace the entire headlight unit; all under warranty.
 
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